12.01-12.02 - Industrial Park Update, MnDot/Hwy 371 Update

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Sandy Peine From: Tim Houle [thoule @wsn-mn.com] �3ent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:20 PM To: Tim Bray(E-mail) Cc: Sandy Peine (E-mail); "MikeR"@smtp1.onvoy.com Subject: Pequot Lakes-TH 371 service road alternatives around Gloria Dei Church Attachments: gloriadeiA_1.pdf; gloriadeiB_1.pdf; gloriadeiC_1.pdf; municipalstandards.xls A a6e R a6a J!a6c g1oriadeiA_1.pdf g1oriadei6_1.pdf gloriadeiC_1.pdf municipalstandards. (299 KB) (299 KB) (300 KB) As(17 KB)... TimB, Thank you for the review and for the information. I am forwarding this to Sandy Peine at the City so she can distribute to the Council and staff for their reactions and input. While I would like to get feedback at their December 7 Council meeting, I suspect they will need a little more time to review. I generally like Alternative A in the red. Starting on the south near the City's water tower, I like how it "S" curves to the east to go along the property line between Mr. Babinski and the motel. As it comes up on the Church's property, I was hoping it could curve more to the west and then come back to the east behind the Oasis. What are the radii of the two curves shown in this area? Alternative B in green does not appeal to me. It adversely impacts properties north and south of the Church. ` lternative C in yellow also adversely impacts properties beyond the Church and the intersection with West Lake Street is way too close to the highway. As far as other alternatives that you should review, I have two comments. One is that the City was looking for feedback/a response to Mr. Olson regarding fitting the service road within the existing R/W along with the proposed four-lane improvements. Will you be responding to this in some way? The only other comment I would have relates to 'tweaking' the curves of Alternative A to see if we can minimize impact west of the Church. Regarding street or road standards, I do know that we have worked with Mike Loven, the City' s street superintendent, as well as P&Z when reviewing proposed plats on appropriate widths, etc. for different areas around the City. I just don't remember if any of that has made it to the level of official City standards or ordinances. I will review the table with Mike to see if he (or others at the City) have any comments. I agree with the 30 mph design speed, although I don't think it would be out of the question to possible use 25 mph in certain cases. A 21-degree curve equates to a 273-foot radius at 6% superelevation. While this type of criteria may work from Derksen Road south to CR 168/CR 107, I don't see this working in a more urban area like the segment we are talking about. I see a curb and gutter section working better here. Using the urban State Aid standard [Fig. A(3) 5-892 .2111 we could use a 300-foot radius at normal crown. I know that MnDOT policy says they won't pay for curb and gutter, but in an urban area, ditches can take up a lot of space as well as create challenges on where to take the storm drainage. While I would like to entertain the discussion of 80-foot R/W widths in urban areas, I see his stretch being 66-feet wide to match up with the existing 66-foot R/W widths north and outh of this segment. The cul-de-sac radius appears appropriate, however, each cul-de-sac should be reviewed for 1